Thoughts on the Sublime

The following is an essay by 
Dr. Janice E. Patten, University of San Jose'  
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/patten/sublime.html 

This URL is linked as a literary resource on AzothGallery.com
and precipitated a series of philosophical Comments which follow.

          The Sublime

           

Longinus: "On the Sublime"

Longinus, writing in the classical historical tradition says that the sublime implies that man can, in emotions and in language, transcend the limits of the human condition. Longinus's approach is contradistinguished from Plato's declaration of poetic inspiration as dangerous divine madness or the poet as liar. Yet like Plato, Longinus feels that the human was the art or technical aspects, while the sublime was the "soul" or that which eluded our experience of art. In order to understand the sublime, we must have some notion of what exists beyond the human, empirical experience. Longinus explains that this "beyond" is comprehended in terms of metaphor, or in terms of what is absent from the empirical world. Our sense of the sublime is an illusion, which draws the reader to new heights, to the realization that there is something more to human life than the mundane, the ordinary. In fact, the sublime entails a kind of mystery. The sublime is that which defeats every effort of sense and imagination to picture it. It is that whose presence reduces all else to nothingness. It can be defined and described only in symbolic terms, which ironically defies the pictorial arts to sketch it. It remains only for the art of the metaphorical language of poetry to give the suggestion of the sublime.

Longinus's contribution to conceptions of the beautiful/sublime also includes the poet's "joining" with this vision of greatness. We gain a greater sense of freedom, by our sense of our capacity to join in this greatness. Hence when we speak of Longinus we think of verbs such as "transport," "transcend," "awe-full," "flight," "amazement," and "astonishment." One particular quotation summarizes this idea: "For, as if instinctively, our soul is uplifted by the true sublime; it takes a proud flight, and is filled with joy and vaunting, as though it had itself produced what it has heard."

Longinus centers also on figurative language, discussing the great writers of the past and their importance, our "possession 'by a spirit not one's own. . . . The genius of the ancients acts as a kind of oracular cavern, and effluences flow from it into the minds of their imitators." He holds Plato up as a model and an ideal of great literature, thereby answering and defending Plato's style against his critics. The decline of letters in his day is due not to despotism, but slavery to pleasure and greed. He shows us that great thoughts have been uttered by men of the past and can be uttered again. Sublimity becomes, for him, the source of the distinction of the greatest poets and prose writers, something like a thunderbolt that could strike anywhere. Because of his belief in sublimity, he also believes in the privileging of mental processes. He holds in an almost mystical way that the composer is identified with what he describes; and because of the excitement of the moment of inspiration, the hearer or reader is also a participant in the feeling of sublimity. And so it was that Longinus first brought passion and the concept of readerly complementation to the study of literature.

 

Edmund Burke: "A Philosophical Inquiry into the Origin of our Ideas of the Sublime and Beautiful

Burke is clearly in the debt of Longinus, but his fundamental orientation is different. Drawing from the empiricism of John Locke, Burke assumes all our knowledge comes by way of sense experience, combing simple impressions into more complex ones. Imagination, for Burke, is more closely aligned with Coleridge's conception of "fancy." It operates in two ways, by "representing at pleasure the images of things in the order and manner in which they were received by the senses" and by "combining those images in anew manner, and according to a different order." Therefore, according to Burke, the imagination cannot create anything "new"; it can only reorder and combine basic sense perceptions.

More important than taste are distinctions involving the sublime. The sublime applies to large, grand parts of nature while the beautiful is evident in small parts. In addition, Burke associates the fear of death, dismemberment, terror, and darkness (e.g., a howling wilderness) with feelings of sublime. Locke does not think that darkness is sign of terror, but Burke feels an association of utter darkness makes it impossible to ascertain one's safety, sensing immanent danger evokes a feeling of the sublime. He sees a difference between what the mind expects and what occurs in any given situation. Part of his thesis involves the fact that fear robs the mind of reason, hence evoking the sublime. He says:

Whatever is fitted in any sort to excite the ideas of pain, and danger, that is to say, whatever is in any sort terrible, or is conversant about terrible objects, or operates in a manner analogous to terror, is a source of the sublime; that is, it is productive of the strongest emotion which the mind is capable of feeling. I say the strongest emotion, because I am satisfied the ideas of pain are much more powerful than those which enter on the part of pleasure.

In Burke's terminology, the "passions which concern self-preservation, turn mostly on pain and danger" (55). To make circumstances appear terrible, however, obscurity is necessary. "All privation is great because they are all terrible: Vacuity, darkness, solitude, and silence. Low and intermittent sounds and shadows bring about feelings of the sublime. Above all, the actions of the mind are affected by the sublime."

Sir Uvedale Price considered the nature of the sublime, but argued in a line consistent with ideas of the picturesque.

Kant says that sublimity does not reside in anything of nature, but only in our mind, insofar as we can become conscious that we are superior to nature within, and therefore also to nature without us (so far as it influences us). Everything that excites this feeling in us, e.g., the might of nature that calls forth our forces, is called then (although improperly) sublime. Only by supposing this idea of the sublimity of that Being which produces respect in us, not merely by the might that it displays in nature, but rather by means of the faculty which resides in us of judging it fearlessly and of regarding our destination as sublime in respect of it. ("Of the Dynamically Sublime in Nature"; Adams, Critical 396). In Kant, "the mind feels itself set in motion in representation of the sublime in nature; this movement, especially in it inception, may be compared with a vibration with a rapidly alternating repulsion and attraction produced by one and the same Object. The point of excess for the imagination is like an abyss in which it fears to lose itself." ("Analytic of the Sublime" 107, qt'd in Thomas Weiskel's The Romantic Sublime 105)

 

Wordsworth on the sublime and the Beautiful: in speaking of seeing the mountains of Langdale pike--

      Let me then invite the Reader to turn his eyes with me towards that cluster of Mountains at the Head of Windermere; it is probable that they will settle ere long upon the Pikes of Langdale and the black precipice contiguous to them. If these objects be so distant that, while we look at them, they are only thought of as the crown a comprehensive Landscape; if our minds be not perverted by false theories, unless those mountains be seen under some accidents of nature, we shall receive from them a grand impression, and nothing more. But if they be looked at from a point which has brought us so near that the mountain is almost the sole object before our eyes, yet not so near but that the whole of it is visible, we shall be impressed with a sensation of sublimity.--And if this analyzed, the body of this sensation would be found to resolve itself into three component parts: a sense of individual form or forms; a sense of duration; and a sense of power. . . . A mountain being a stationary object is enabled to effect this in connection with duration and individual form, by the sense of motion which in the midst accompanies the lines by which the Mountain itself is shaped out" (351-2). . . .Individuality of form is the primary requisite; and the form must be of that character that deeply impresses the sense of power. And power produces the sublime whether as it is thought of as a thing to be feared, to be resisted, or that can be participated. To what degree consistent with sublimity power may be dreaded has been ascertained; but as power, contemplated as something to be opposed or resisted, implies a twofold agency of which the mind is conscious, this state seems to be irreconcilable to what has been determined, exists in the extinction of the comparing power of the mind, & in intense unity.(356).

"Imagination . . . so called / Through sad incompetence of human speech" (Prelude 6.592-93). Human sight rises in intensity from memory through salience tot he occlusion of the visible. Imagination also rises "like an unfather'd vapour" to target man's fight to remain autonomous and self-reliant.

 

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  • 3/31/2009 8:42 PM Paul Szemanczky wrote:
    I discovered Janice Patten's "Sublime" essay linked from your webpage and want to tell you it is incredible. Edmund Burke comes off dark and brooding, as if he were searching like Hans Gunther for "the Nordic" man, some Aryan strain of perfection.
    One of the books left by my late father, Jules Szemanczky (1926-2008), was a 1947 text from the New Haven State Teacher's College, a beautiful, huge volume of English poetry, which must have been one of the courses he took. I was always enchanted by it, especially the Romantics. The Lyrical Ballads (Prelude) of Wordsworth particularly ringed true for the two of us, Dad and myself. Janice Patten's description of the mountains of Langdale Pike as seen by Wordsworth ring true with my actual vision yesterday from 850' feet high on Goat's Peak's watch tower inside Connecticut's Mount Tom State Reservation park.
    Dad would have loved Patten's closing: (Wordsworth) "Human sight rises in intensity from memory through salience to the occlusion of the visible. Imagination also rises "like an unfather'd vapour" to target man's fight to remain autonomous and self-reliant.
    Our whole society seems to be bending opposite the Wordsworth's treatise towards co-dependence, impersonal social-engineering, and ulterior (state) regulation, all Wordsworthian anathma. I wish Dad could have read Patten's paper, he would have loved it. I gave him oncea condensed text of Schopenhauer's, and in his Marcus Aurelius fashion, he devoured it and found many threads of salvation. Eternal optimist, yet truly Stoic, was he.
    Take Care,
    Paul
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    1. 3/31/2009 8:57 PM AzothGallery wrote:
      Dear Paul,
      Thanks for your messages and for your fascinating take on Janice Patten's essay on The Sublime linked from my website ! 
       
      Your email discussing "The Sublime" has sparked my brain to revisit the ideas and attitudes of Edmund Burke (1729-1797), and his near contemporaries such as Immanuel Kant (1724-1804), and his personal friendship & later philosophical/ political combat with Tom Paine (1737-1809), about whom I've just finished listening to Christopher Hitchen's biography on Paine "The Rights of Man"  narrated by Simon Vance.   Now I've embarked on more serious research on their connection, and to understand Paine's literary influences
       
      Indeed your take on Burke rings true with me -- and while Paine didn't theorize on Art or Aesthetics, his philosophical arguments tested the Whig MP Burke, and eventually showed up the limits of Burke's Empiricism as a follower of
      Locke and how
      knowledge is derived from sense experiences.   Both were Quakers, and from early on, Burke was a supporter of the American colonists campaign for independence;  in the 1780's Burke became a muckraker against
      corruption in the rule of the new colony of India. B
      ut when the French Revolution broke out he also vehemently opposed to its overthrow of the monarchy, and fretted that the Jacobin frenzy would spread to England.  
       
      I'm not yet clear how much Tom Paine was influenced by Thomas Hobbes and his concept of the Leviathan as an allegorical description of the State as a serpentine organism winding its way through the Labyrinth of rich and poor streets of London, but it is clear that Paine was strongly influenced by Jean-Jaques Rousseau "Man is born free, but is everywhere in chains..."  -- But as an avid reader Paine would have known that the very concept of the "Social Contract" had been
      invented by Hobbes
      ("Life is short and brutal").   For Burke, Hobbes grasped the positive meaning of the benevolent monarchy.  He is known to have detested Rousseau, and  believed that England "had already had its Revolution in 1688"
      when then Catholic Stuarts were disposed of.  From then on, all the King's subjects "knew their proper place in society..... "   high or low....   
       
      Tom Paine was a free-thinker as a youth in Thetford, England, and attempted to run away to sea at 16 to escape his father's corset-making business.  He instead became a customs agent, then a pamphlet-writer for local unionizers. His friendship with a London mathematician and astronomer who was a friend of Ben Franklin led to getting him to Philadelphia in 1774, where he wrote pamphlets for the revolutionary movement, and befriended Lafayette during the war.
       
      After reading Burke's 1770 "Thoughts On the Present Discontent", Paine had sent him his own  "Common Sense."  Burke responded personally, and on Paine's return to England took him on a tour of the countryside to find a site for Paine's
      design for an iron bridge.    Paine's friendship with Lafayette concerned Burke about the "spread of the American Revolution" and it's first democratic government back to the Continent and possibly to England.   Paine's continuing pamphlets soon
      got him in hot water, and the PM William Pitt issued a warrant for his arrest for Seditious Libel.  Apparently warned at a party by William Blake that he was about to be arrested and possibly killed, Paine immediately left for Paris to
      take up Lafayette's invitation, and soon became involved in the Revolutionary Council where he argued that France, being the first country to abolish monarchy, should also be the first to abolish capital punishment as a holdover of medievalism .... His faction was outvoted and he soon was arrested on the orders of Robespierre. 
       
       
      About the sense of "The Sublime," I concur more with Longinus (it is historically unclear who he was and in what time-period he lived, evidentially 1st or 3rd century) . A new link for Longinus (just added to my "Arts Critiques" page):

      T
      he word "sub-limis" itself means "below the Threshold"  and for me that has always been experienced as a sense of the awesome-beautiful -- a profound stillness -- or sense that something has entered beneath my conscious "radar" and then powerfully transfixed me in Time.   
       
      In this sense, there is the sense of awe, a powerful element not of Fear, as posed by Burke, but of immensity, great or subtle events of Emotion, Love or Compassion, which brings us to tears with the sense of the profound.
       
      In Wordsworth, Jacob Bronowski's brief quote from "Lines Above Tintern Abbey" comes to mind, in the Enlightenment of the experience of the Natural World, witnessing the tremendous power of a water-driven energy canal :
                                             
                                                      When like a roe
      I bounded o'er the mountains, by the sides
      Of deep rivers, and the lonely streams,
      Wherever nature led: more like a man
      Flying from something that he dreads than one
      Who sought the thing he loved.  ---- NATURE THEN
      TO ME WAS ALL IN ALL.   I cannot paint
      What then I was.    The sounding Cataract
      Haunted me like a passion. 
       
      (I've always remembered this as "All in Awe..."
       
      Or as Blake put it in his own terms:
       
      Energy is Eternal Delight !
       
      I love to discuss philosophy and look forward to working with
      you on Jule's Memorial show ... !
       
      Best Regards,
      Johnes


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